Apologetic Post, Quran

Missionary ignorance: the Quran non-created word of God

Missionary Ignorance of Claiming Divinity of Christ by Arguing about the Muslim belief on Quran being Uncreated Word of God:

In the Name of Allah Most Gracious and Most Beneficent 

I recently came across with a David Wood-Sam Shamoun and Jay Smith DCCI Ministries, school boy level chat and foolish opinions about Quran. They were talking about the Sunni View of the Quran, which is the Word of Allah- Eternally Exist with Allah in Allah -the Mighty and Sublime. 

They attack Quran and Islam with their hypocrisy and double standard. When you finish reading this article, you will understand how much school boy level arguments and ignorance is filled in this missionaries who blatantly attack Islam due to the false spirits that leads them!

We ask Christian ministries about the following statements in the New Testament!

Why Bible which is the word of God is not God when the Bible says word of God is God and Jesus as deity derived from him being the word of God?:
David Wood and Sam Shamoun attacked Quran and it is a response to them.
As I received leaflets from UK Christians, who promote David Wood and Sam Shamoun websites in their preaching leaflets, so it became necessary to answer this heresy and misguidance preached in the name of Christ and Holy Gospel

Christian Missionary Vain Thoughts:

The foolish ones talking their high school boys chat and trying to claim: “if Quran can be the uncreated word of Allah and it can still be among Muslims in the book form, then it is possible for God to be in this world among people as “Jesus Christ”!. They continue to say that, it is Muslim double standard that Muslims reject Jesus as God because he was also a human, but Muslims accept the Quran as eternal uncreated word of God which is written in the book, and Quran cannot be eternal, as anyone can burn and destroy a Quran book!

Our Refutation:

It is sheer stupidity to claim Jesus is God  taking Quran as parallel!

The Quran in the Book is only a recitation of the Quran, all groups can touch and access the recitation and literal meaning. But Quran says:

Quran 59:21  If We had sent down this Qur’an upon a mountain, you would have seen it humbled and coming apart from fear of Allah. And these examples We present to the people that perhaps they will give thought.

According to Christianity Jesus surrendered to the worst of creations to be killed! Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) eat and drink, breathe, get tired and needed rest, cried (Hebrews 5:7) could not do anything by himself but by the power of Allah

Quran 15:3 “Surely, We have revealed the ‘Zhikr’ (Quran), and surely, We will preserve it” 

Quran 85:22 (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!

The comparison of Book Quran and the Quran (as Allah’s Words in Original Existence) is like that of a speech. For Example: The King Ordered His Minister to convey so and so messages to his subjects. The Minister came to the street and read out the words of the King which is received by the King from the Presence of the King.So the word and it’s resposibility exist between the King and the Minister. The Word is from the heart and soul of the King, which is conveyed to the Minister of the King. But the subjects they wrote down the commands of the King. One Billion subjects copied from each other. It is the recitation of the commands of the King. But the authority over the execution of the Commands not given to the subjects. Their duty is only recite, listen and obey. The King has only given One time this Commands. Which means there is One Book revealed with Commands. The One Billion copy with the people, it is not directly from God. It is the copies people made. It does not equal to that first copy which is given to the Minister.

The difference between the Quran in your shelf the Quran in the heart of the Prophet Muhammad alaihiswalathu wa salam is also like that!. He (alaihiswalathu wa salam) is known as walking Quran. No one else is called as “walking Quran!, though 1000s of people have memorized it.
You can have a diploma of Bible from your Evangelical University. But if you take xerox of the diploma, without having the original diploma certificate , it does not have any value!7

But if an officer see your original diploma certificate and attest it , and put his official seal in it , then your diploma xerox copy will be considered as valid, but still you have to produce the original when required.

This is how billions of Muslims are fooled today, they don’t have a fellowship or connection with original Quran, so they are divided and become protestant Muslims. Just as you guys, you do not have the fellowship with original Gospel , you are today what you are now. No living water, no wisdom, no understanding, no spiritual fellowships, only empty claims and self deception!

WHY BIBLE IS NOT A DEITY THEN:

So, since you have put your dirty hands and mind on the Quran, I am asking you. You believe Bible is the Word of God. If the Bible is Word of God and the Word is with God and the Word is God, then you should be worshiping the Bible as a deity than worshiping Jesus who is invisible now!

What is your argument? 

You say, You worship Jesus , because the “Word became flesh” (John 1:14) so you can worship the Man? Why dont you worship the Word that became book (i.e the Bible)? and the Bible dwells among you?

You are altering the scriptures and twisting it and saying, Jesus is God because you said in the John 1:1 it says:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

As it is in the Offical Evangelical  Website: https://fiec.org.uk/about-us/beliefs

2. The Bible
God has revealed himself in the Bible, which consists of the Old and New Testaments alone. Every word was inspired by God through human authors, so that the Bible as originally given is in its entirety the Word of God (see John 1:1), without error and fully reliable in fact and doctrine. The Bible alone speaks with final authority and is always sufficient for all matters of belief and practice.

We try to refute your heresy and double standard Judgement that you bring against the Book of Allah. Why don’t you worship the Bible as God?, See Colour coded references above!

If the Bible is Word of God and the Word was God, Why Bible is not God? This Question also refute your claim on “Trinity and Deity of Jesus”

This question finish off your “Trinity Theology” completely without a chance to resurrection!

If the Bible is the Word of God and the Word was God, then Bible is also God!. So if the Bible is also God, Why Bible cannot be worshiped as “Deity”?. If Bible is Word of God and Word was God, then there is another deity-the Bible. So it is the end of Trinity!

So if there are 1 Billion Bible in the Churches, then can we say there are 1 Billion deities as “Bible”. Can we worship all Bible copies as God? if not then tell us why!

According to trinity, the Son is not the father and not the Holy Spirit, but a distinctive person. Who said: Father is Greater than I (John 14:28)  and by myself I can do nothing (John 5:30)

So in that case,Bible- the Word of God (the Word was God-the Father Himself) must be a higher deity. So Bible could be considered as a higher deity than Christ?

So understand that, what does not make the Bible books a deity, also is the same reason Christ is not a deity, nor the Quran is a deity!

God’s Essence is Unapproachable and incomprehensible (1 Timothy 1:17 and 6:16) , so the Mighty God revealed His Words and Sent His Messengers so that they believe and obey His Commandments and attain salvation by His Grace, His Grace is given according to His Own Will to Whomever He Wills and His Will On His Servant is reflected as the lifestyle and sincerity, that is manifested on His Servants. 

And According to Deuteronomy 18, which you claim Jesus is a Prophet like Moses (Peace be upon them), that chapter says: “We shall not hear the Word of God nor see His great Fire”. So the Prophet whom God sent is a Prophet Like Moses (Peace be upon them) as it confirms that Israelites will not hear the voice of the Lord anymore, but a Prophet will be sent by God in the likeness of Moses (peace be upon him)!

This is why no Muslim scholars respond to your Online Anti-Islam Charade , which is only a play of high school boys arguments and cowardice!. But those who consider you as the pinnacle of Christian Missionary, Wisdom and understanding, they have already been fooled to believe what they believe. So we do not wonder, why they are trusting your foolishness and thinking and falsely believing what you saying is high level wisdom!

For Muslims who are in the Spiritual fellowship with Prophets and Saints of the Most High, your words are only a childish argument, high school boys talk.  But seeing the Pathetic situation of Christian neighbours who quote your foolishness, we have sympathy for them!. We want them to open their hearts and mind and accept the true spiritual fellowship of Islam!.

So O Christians, O People, Wake up and surrender to the Truth.

David Wood and Sam Shamoun is finished now!. Or if you think they are still capable, then contact them and ask them to come forward for a discussion with us!. And tell them to talk to us and discuss about the Bible and Christian faith!, instead of playing with some misquoted and twisted references on Jurisprudence and social life of the past generations and try to demonise them based on your current perception of life. So come forward for theology of Islam and Christianity. 
We are waiting for you, only for discussions live streamed in your evangelical channels.
Then you will know the truth and truth will set you all free!

This information were inspired into my heart while standing for Maghrib (sunset) prayer today evening (15/01/2017), just before the prayer commence while standing in Masjid 

A DEBATE INITIATIVE ON THIS TOPIC:

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN  THE WORD OF THE GOD WITH GOD ,  
ISA (JESUS)  ALAIHISSALAM A WORD FROM GOD IN THE FLESH, AND THE GOSPEL IN THE CHURCH BOOK SHELF – IS LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WORD OF ALLAH WITH ALLAH,  THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE UPON HIM) AS THE WALKING QURAN AND THE QURAN IN THE MASJID LIBRARY PUBLISHED BY DIFFERENT PRINTERS!. 
 
1- The QURAN/Word/INJIL with Allah is Uncreated 
 
2- The Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and Christ (Peace be upon him)  are the Manifestation of Word and Light in the Flesh. That means the Prophets are originated from the Source (God) 
 
3- The QURAN or INJIL in the shelves in your house and smart phone is produced from the manifested sources.  Which are less in degree than Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him) JESUS Christ (peace be upon him).
 
And nobody worship QURAN in their book shelve and Bible in the Church as God (Word) in papers! 
 
But I am sorry to see that the Christian world is confused with this matter and misguided! 
 
[22/02, 20:21] Evangelist : I said don’t forward me this garbage!
[22/02, 20:21] Outreach Islam: Why do you think it is garbage!? This is my post,  which I will be discussing with you!
[22/02, 20:22]Evangelist: The Koran was written by Muhammad and his family, the Bible is the word of God.
[22/02, 20:22] Outreach Islam: So have some preparation before we meet up. And if you have knowledge that is not garbage that’s what I want to hear from you,  not prejudices and false judgement ,So is the Bible God!? John 1 says word is God Now share your wisdom and not garbage!
[22/02, 20:23] Evangelist: Whatever
[22/02, 20:24] Outreach Islam: Why Christians not worshipping the Bible that they can see? If Bible is the word of God and word is God. So is the Bible Jesus Christ? In that case everyone can worship the Bible as God!? 
This are the key questions I am asking to the Christian world.  If you have received holy spirit,  then please answer without having prejudice and judgements such as calling my posts as garbage. i have had enough comments like that with many evangelicals, people make big claims , such as they have holy spirit and are born again, and instead answering or seeking truth they resort to abusive replies.Imagine when you stand in the street to preach and distribute Gospel,  and someone say to you don’t give me this garbage,  how do you feel about it?! 
 So treat others the same way others want to be treat you and treat your preaching. True Believers display high level of manners and respect and thank God I never had a bad moral with Christians and others !
[22/02, 20:30] Evangelist: And you are the guy who said ‘born again nutters’…
[22/02, 20:30] Outreach Islam: Anyway no worries,  speak and act according the fruits of your way.  Just an advice,  not a command  I can you are confused whole the way .You produce an evidence if I ever said such things.  And evil cannot be dealt with evil, I don’t know if that is the Christian way .  may be someone else in the whatsapp group called you “nutters”, so why blaming me?
[22/02, 20:32] Evangelist: Well you forward me that comment in one of your texts. Anyway, lve been called worse!
[22/02, 20:32] Outreach Islam: I didn’t forward anything in my texts that is written by me. I have all my chat history here, there is no disrespectful words from me !, you can come and check! as I do not delete chats with Missionaries for the purpose of writing blogs later! .So do you have any answers to my question??  As you say the Bible is the word of God, so the Word is God. So the Bible is God!?  So the Bible can be worshipped!? 
 May be we talk when we meet,  I can see you are confused about me!
(no replies from him anymore)
All the pastors and evangelists suddenly become busy when it comes to meet us and chat with us!
A COMMENT ON DCCI MINISTRIES LATEST VIDEO:

DCCI KINDERGARTEN MISSIONARIES :
Is Bible the word of God? 
If so then Bible is jesus. 
If so then why don’t you worship the Bible!? 
If the Bible cannot be worshipped as God despite being the word of God, then you cannot worship Jesus too as God, though Jesus being a word of God! 

Visit http://outreachislam.org 
The next article will be on this foolishness.

Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal, one of the greatest Sunni scholars says Quran is the speech of Allah (Kalamullah)  speech is not created it is originated/manifested.

God.put His word in the mouth of his servant Jesus who will be send as a prophet like Moses, according to your quoting of Deuteronomy 18:18-19

(c) Outreach Islam 23 February 2018

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